Is Sanchez a news anchor or a talk show host? That’s not news. And don’t pretend to not know how to pronounce his last name. It’s foolishly unprofessional.
If no one reported on that bald idiot Joe the Plumber we would never hear about stupid shit like this. Why does anyone care about Joe the Plumber? I say we airdrop Sanchez, Mr. Plumber and Danny Bonaduchi on Kim Jong Il and the world will be a better place.
rebecca
Sanchez didn’t make up the Joe the Plummer stuff, the guy is actually there being a jackass. Sanchez is quoting an interview “Joe” gave to the AP. Unfortunately, a lot of conservative christians think like Joe and the guy is a useful way to expose a pervasive, anti-semitic view of the conflict that many people in this country seem to support. You can ignore the evangelicals and stuff your ears and hope they go away, but it doesn’t work. Being informed about other viewpoints is, I think, a better strategy.
KnittingPundit
[agree] Ignoring hatemongers in the hope that they will go away is what got us 8 years of W.I enjoy pretending that my worldview is the dominant one-don’t get me wrong-but there are a lot of evangelicals who think like this guy and who are following the exploits of this self-proclaimed journo.I dislike Sanchez but I think it takes a strong character to call out injustice and racism,taking the close-your-eyes-and-pretend-it-doesn’t-exist approach is not what Democracy is all about.It also reduces you to the level of the other guy,being smug that you’re right and they’re wrong and refusing to engage in conversation or defend your opinions.Much easier to hurl a hatebomb and then hide.
rebecca
I’m not saying I’m not a big fan of “ignore them and maybe they’ll go away” because I am :-)
However, Joe/Sam whatever his name may be is running around world purporting to representing the American worldview. Those who make journalism their profession have a responsibility to discuss and dissect what these people are doing because silence equals tacit approval.
Was Sanchez’s piece a little juvenile? Maybe. Probably. But maybe Joe the Idiot’s actions deserve mocking instead of erudite analysis. I just can’t say.
On a semi-related note: did you see the new ravelry coffee mug that say [disagree] until your fill them with coffee and then they say [agree]? Fantastic.
oh. Well Sanchez was involved in a hit and run while intoxicated and the victim later died of his injuries.
Significant of nothing other than my “research” on wikipedia to learn more about this fancy Sanchez guy.
I’m just incredulous that the AP gives this moron Plumber the platform to express his foolishness. Is that not stupid? I wasn’t suggesting that we ignore Dafur, Kim Jong Il, Iran or Ted Stevens – I just think you give power to a voice by letting it speak. If you have nothing credible to say – how is it news? I understand the point that you can expose a point of view and bring it into the open but how many people can relate to a point of view that did not have such a public face before?
GWB gave a voice for the ignorant hordes now the AP has done so by interviewing another idiot.
rebecca
I get what you’re saying and i think there are several overlapping but distinct threads to tease out…
1-I think the story isn’t that Joe the plumber is running his yap in Israel and he thinks he’s protected there cause he’s one of god’s chosen christians and he thinks that journalists with unpopular perspectives (to him) should be muzzled or censored. The story is that John mcCain’s campaign turned this guy into a persona and, if he only exists as the figure who they speechify about he sounds like a romanticly downtrodden but plucky and bootstrapping everyman. Put him in front of the camera and he shows himself to be an ass and exposes himself to media scrutiny (see also: daylight).
This is not unlike sarah palin. Before she was set loose there was that whole mythology that she was smart and shrewd and a snappy debater and a witty opponent. Once she got before the camera that all started to disintegrate.
2-we have fox news and castro’s cuba and plenty of other places where voices are stifled because someone doesn’t like to hear them. I don’t think we can let the public sphere become that place in America. Ignore them and they’ll go away doesn’t work and throwing them in jail or censoring the media is a terrifying prospect to me, anyway.
3 – Rick Sanchez. Do I think he’s great? Eh. Do I think he’s improved leaps and bounds in the last year? Yes. Do I still enjoy watching the clip of him being tasered?
Plus, he’s not Blitzer. I’m not sure what relevance his hit and run has to this, I must have lost that line of reasoning…
3-The AP didn’t create Joe the Plumber goes to Israel and there are a large number of evangelical and/or conservative folk who are entranced with this guy. The AP didn’t create him or give him the voice .
Is Sanchez a news anchor or a talk show host? That’s not news. And don’t pretend to not know how to pronounce his last name. It’s foolishly unprofessional.
If no one reported on that bald idiot Joe the Plumber we would never hear about stupid shit like this. Why does anyone care about Joe the Plumber? I say we airdrop Sanchez, Mr. Plumber and Danny Bonaduchi on Kim Jong Il and the world will be a better place.
Sanchez didn’t make up the Joe the Plummer stuff, the guy is actually there being a jackass. Sanchez is quoting an interview “Joe” gave to the AP. Unfortunately, a lot of conservative christians think like Joe and the guy is a useful way to expose a pervasive, anti-semitic view of the conflict that many people in this country seem to support. You can ignore the evangelicals and stuff your ears and hope they go away, but it doesn’t work. Being informed about other viewpoints is, I think, a better strategy.
[agree] Ignoring hatemongers in the hope that they will go away is what got us 8 years of W.I enjoy pretending that my worldview is the dominant one-don’t get me wrong-but there are a lot of evangelicals who think like this guy and who are following the exploits of this self-proclaimed journo.I dislike Sanchez but I think it takes a strong character to call out injustice and racism,taking the close-your-eyes-and-pretend-it-doesn’t-exist approach is not what Democracy is all about.It also reduces you to the level of the other guy,being smug that you’re right and they’re wrong and refusing to engage in conversation or defend your opinions.Much easier to hurl a hatebomb and then hide.
I’m not saying I’m not a big fan of “ignore them and maybe they’ll go away” because I am :-)
However, Joe/Sam whatever his name may be is running around world purporting to representing the American worldview. Those who make journalism their profession have a responsibility to discuss and dissect what these people are doing because silence equals tacit approval.
Was Sanchez’s piece a little juvenile? Maybe. Probably. But maybe Joe the Idiot’s actions deserve mocking instead of erudite analysis. I just can’t say.
On a semi-related note: did you see the new ravelry coffee mug that say [disagree] until your fill them with coffee and then they say [agree]? Fantastic.
oh. Well Sanchez was involved in a hit and run while intoxicated and the victim later died of his injuries.
Significant of nothing other than my “research” on wikipedia to learn more about this fancy Sanchez guy.
I’m just incredulous that the AP gives this moron Plumber the platform to express his foolishness. Is that not stupid? I wasn’t suggesting that we ignore Dafur, Kim Jong Il, Iran or Ted Stevens – I just think you give power to a voice by letting it speak. If you have nothing credible to say – how is it news? I understand the point that you can expose a point of view and bring it into the open but how many people can relate to a point of view that did not have such a public face before?
GWB gave a voice for the ignorant hordes now the AP has done so by interviewing another idiot.
I get what you’re saying and i think there are several overlapping but distinct threads to tease out…
1-I think the story isn’t that Joe the plumber is running his yap in Israel and he thinks he’s protected there cause he’s one of god’s chosen christians and he thinks that journalists with unpopular perspectives (to him) should be muzzled or censored. The story is that John mcCain’s campaign turned this guy into a persona and, if he only exists as the figure who they speechify about he sounds like a romanticly downtrodden but plucky and bootstrapping everyman. Put him in front of the camera and he shows himself to be an ass and exposes himself to media scrutiny (see also: daylight).
This is not unlike sarah palin. Before she was set loose there was that whole mythology that she was smart and shrewd and a snappy debater and a witty opponent. Once she got before the camera that all started to disintegrate.
2-we have fox news and castro’s cuba and plenty of other places where voices are stifled because someone doesn’t like to hear them. I don’t think we can let the public sphere become that place in America. Ignore them and they’ll go away doesn’t work and throwing them in jail or censoring the media is a terrifying prospect to me, anyway.
3 – Rick Sanchez. Do I think he’s great? Eh. Do I think he’s improved leaps and bounds in the last year? Yes. Do I still enjoy watching the clip of him being tasered?
Plus, he’s not Blitzer. I’m not sure what relevance his hit and run has to this, I must have lost that line of reasoning…
3-The AP didn’t create Joe the Plumber goes to Israel and there are a large number of evangelical and/or conservative folk who are entranced with this guy. The AP didn’t create him or give him the voice .
4-I forgot what 4 is.
So there’s are some more thoughts, before dinner.